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Post subject: And the throne of Iblis was over the water.
و كان عرش إبليس على الماء
Salam all
Many of you may be shocked by the title I have chosen for this note, because as all Muslims know that Iblis has been cursed by Allah, see these verses:
قَالَ اخْرُجْ مِنْهَا مَذْؤُومًا مَّدْحُورًا لَّمَن تَبِعَكَ مِنْهُمْ لأَمْلأنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ (18) He (Allah) said: Get out of it (the garden), despised, expelled; whoever follows you of them, I will certainly fill hell from among you all. [Al Quran ; 7:18]
قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ (34) (Allah) said: Then get out of it, for indeed, you are to be pelted. [Al Quran ; 15:34]
وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكَ اللَّعْنَةَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ (35) And indeed, upon you is the curse until the day of recompense. [Al Quran ; 15:35]
-> Clearly, Iblis was expelled, despised, pelted and cursed until the day of recompense.
All Muslims also know that Allah has a throne over the water, see:
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلاً وَلَئِن قُلْتَ إِنَّكُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِن بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ (7) And it is He Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His throne is over the water, that He might test you which of you are best in deed. And if you have said: Indeed, you will be resurrected after death, those who have disbelieved would surely say: This is not except an obvious magic. [Al Quran ; 11:7]
-> The above verse is telling us three of the many unique descriptions of our Lord:
1- هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ , i.e. it is He Who created the heavens and the earth in six days,
2- وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء , i.e. and His throne is over the water,
3- لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلاً , i.e. that He might test you which of you are best in deed.
Therefore, reading that Iblis also has a throne above water should make some of the Muslims to wonder in disbelief:
How the expelled, despised, cursed and pelted Iblis has a throne over the water like Allah has?
Some may say, why not, like a throne built over the sea somewhere on earth.
I say fine, but can we bloody see such throne of Iblis over the sea somewhere on earth?
The answer should be known to all Muslims, we cannot, that is because. If we cannot see the Jinn themselves, how can we see the throne of Iblis above the sea somewhere on earth? Such stupid and questionable piece of information about Iblis (even if it is possible on earth) is 100% useless and certainly questionable considering that such throne above water is a unique description about Allah as stated in 11:7, while Iblis on the other hand is expelled, despised, cursed and pelted.
So from where I got such crap about Iblis and his throne above water? Well, you may guess it right if you are reading my notes, it is from the man made crap books of hadith, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s have a look at it from Sahih Muslim, shall we:
In simple words the above means the following:
The messenger of Allah said that Iblis puts his throne above the water and calls for the nearest to him in position according to how much discord they have done between mankind.
The above useless crap is repeated in Musanad Ahmad:
So, I ask those hadith worshippers, does Iblis really have a throne above water like Allah has? If so can they bloody prove it to us?
Can you see such alleged throne of Iblis?
Or:
Are we bloody required to believe that Iblis has a throne above water as we believe that Allah has a throne above water?
Indeed, many hadith worshippers believe for certain that Iblis has a throne above water as they believe for certain that Allah has; see in this link, the Muslims are answering the question, where is the throne of Iblis:
I.e. The throne of Iblis is over the sea. They presented a hadith to confirm their allegation.
In fact, some hadith worshippers took it even one step further, by alleging that the throne of Iblis over the sea is located in Bermuda triangle; see, in this link, one Muslim wrote:
Source
وللعلم ترا عرش ابلس على الماي ومحد يدري وين!!!
من كثر ما الناس سمعوا عن هالمثلث قالوا في احتمال كبير يكون مثلث برمودا هو مكان عرش ابليس والله أعلم
For your knowledge, the throne of Iblis is over water but no one knows where.
However, from the so many stories the people heard about Bermuda triangle, they said that it is high possibility that Bermuda triangle is the place of the throne of Iblis, but Allah knows best
In this link, a Muslim wrote:
Source
انا راح ارد بكلمه صغيره مختصره مثلث برمودا هو عرش ابليس في الارض ناس كتير مش هاتصدق بس محدش يقدر يروح هناك فعلا لان ممنوع حد من الانس يقرب من عرش ابلس
In brief, Bermuda triangle is the throne of Iblis on earth, a lot of people won�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t believe it, but no one can go there indeed, because it is prohibited for mankind to come near the throne of Iblis.
Well, my wonder to why and how so many Muslims are confused becomes clearer and clearer every day I go deeper in such man made crap books of rubbish hadith
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